Comments on: 22/55: a Rare Opportunity http://www.edwize.org/2255-a-rare-opportunity Fri, 10 Feb 2012 02:46:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: shouldhavegonetomeds http://www.edwize.org/2255-a-rare-opportunity/comment-page-1#comment-2572 shouldhavegonetomeds Wed, 26 Oct 2005 00:00:25 +0000 http://edwize.org/?p=132#comment-2572 speak truth to power vote no speak truth to power vote no

]]> By: Teacher31231 http://www.edwize.org/2255-a-rare-opportunity/comment-page-1#comment-2096 Teacher31231 Mon, 17 Oct 2005 23:38:37 +0000 http://edwize.org/?p=132#comment-2096 Randi is a dummy and the contract is bad. If you didn't think so before just look in the post and see that she is already talking about renegotiating the "letter" part of it, before we even pass it because it will be a major point of abuse. She will "review" this after the contract is signed, so we have to suffer, and she knows this NOW! God how bad will this thing have to get for our members to wake up! Randi is a dummy and the contract is bad. If you didn’t think so before just look in the post and see that she is already talking about renegotiating the “letter” part of it, before we even pass it because it will be a major point of abuse. She will “review” this after the contract is signed, so we have to suffer, and she knows this NOW!

God how bad will this thing have to get for our members to wake up!

]]> By: former ed. eval. http://www.edwize.org/2255-a-rare-opportunity/comment-page-1#comment-1938 former ed. eval. Fri, 14 Oct 2005 03:06:41 +0000 http://edwize.org/?p=132#comment-1938 Dear Marc, I am amazed that you, the (former) chapter leader of the (former) ed. evals., can have ANY confidence, faith, or trust in this mayor. How many hundreds of us, (those who were unable to retire), are still working for the DOE? How many of us work as IEP teachers, a position that is as good or as bad as the principal that we work for? When we have a problem, who helps us? The union reps in the schools and the district don't have a clue, and the special ed. chapter is not easy to access. Where are you, Marc? Weren't you supposed to be our "special rep."? I am 57 years old in my 25th year; I would retire tomorrow if it weren't for the tremendous financial penalty. I would vote for this contract if I believed that 55/25 was a done deal, but it's not and may never be. Based on previous experience, I have no reason to trust this mayor or this union leadership. Dear Marc,

I am amazed that you, the (former) chapter leader of the (former) ed. evals., can have ANY confidence, faith, or trust in this mayor. How many hundreds of us, (those who were unable to retire), are still working for the DOE? How many of us work as IEP teachers, a position that is as good or as bad as the principal that we work for? When we have a problem, who helps us? The union reps in the schools and the district don’t have a clue, and the special ed. chapter is not easy to access. Where are you, Marc? Weren’t you supposed to be our “special rep.”?

I am 57 years old in my 25th year; I would retire tomorrow if it weren’t for the tremendous financial penalty. I would vote for this contract if I believed that 55/25 was a done deal, but it’s not and may never be. Based on previous experience, I have no reason to trust this mayor or this union leadership.

]]> By: everyman2 http://www.edwize.org/2255-a-rare-opportunity/comment-page-1#comment-1817 everyman2 Thu, 13 Oct 2005 01:52:32 +0000 http://edwize.org/?p=132#comment-1817 Almost the exact same language about 25/55 was in the LAST contract--take a look. You would have to be at least 55 AND have at least 25 years of service completed under this proposal. It's what Tier I teachers have. Almost the exact same language about 25/55 was in the LAST contract–take a look.

You would have to be at least 55 AND have at least 25 years of service completed under this proposal.

It’s what Tier I teachers have.

]]> By: shouldhavegonetomeds http://www.edwize.org/2255-a-rare-opportunity/comment-page-1#comment-1749 shouldhavegonetomeds Wed, 12 Oct 2005 04:19:26 +0000 http://edwize.org/?p=132#comment-1749 Everyone talks strike if contract is voted down. Why? That didn't happen in l995. I have a real fun idea. With all other unions without a contact. particularly firepeople, administrators, and nurses, why don't we picket stores during Christmas telling tourists to support us by not shopping and paying sales tax in the city? We can encourage thme to shop in areas that have settled teachers' contracts. This would be fun, embarrasing to Kleinberg and not in violation of the Taylor Law. Everyone talks strike if contract is voted down. Why? That didn’t happen in l995. I have a real fun idea. With all other unions without a contact. particularly firepeople, administrators, and nurses, why don’t we picket stores during Christmas telling tourists to support us by not shopping and paying sales tax in the city? We can encourage thme to shop in areas that have settled teachers’ contracts. This would be fun, embarrasing to Kleinberg and not in violation of the Taylor Law.

]]> By: Bklynteacher http://www.edwize.org/2255-a-rare-opportunity/comment-page-1#comment-1704 Bklynteacher Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:25:28 +0000 http://edwize.org/?p=132#comment-1704 The NYPD can retire after 20 years regardless of age with 50% of their final salary (plue overtime and night differential). They get other nice "goodies" too. They also get full health benefits. Check their site: http://www.nypd2.org/html/recruit/salary.html Do you still think our contract is fair? The NYPD can retire after 20 years regardless of age with 50% of their final salary (plue overtime and night differential). They get other nice “goodies” too. They also get full health benefits.

Check their site:
http://www.nypd2.org/html/recruit/salary.html

Do you still think our contract is fair?

]]> By: Teacher31231 http://www.edwize.org/2255-a-rare-opportunity/comment-page-1#comment-1701 Teacher31231 Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:13:45 +0000 http://edwize.org/?p=132#comment-1701 The truth is that this retirement conversation is silly, though I often talk about silly things. It's me :) It just doesn't matter to this contract. I think this article is out of place. The 25/55 is being put in as a distraction. This article is a silly distraction from all the other negatives in the proposed contract. Working an extra 37 1/2 minute period will ensure many of us will be dead long before we can ever retire. The truth is that this retirement conversation is silly, though I often talk about silly things. It’s me :) It just doesn’t matter to this contract. I think this article is out of place. The 25/55 is being put in as a distraction. This article is a silly distraction from all the other negatives in the proposed contract. Working an extra 37 1/2 minute period will ensure many of us will be dead long before we can ever retire.

]]> By: devils_advocate http://www.edwize.org/2255-a-rare-opportunity/comment-page-1#comment-1692 devils_advocate Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:58:36 +0000 http://edwize.org/?p=132#comment-1692 Teacher31231: Poor baby. You have to work till you are 55, while the majority pf people can't retire until they are 67. Being able to retire after 25 years of service is a good thing. Wow, that would be between 47-50 for the average person. Most people would be thrilled if they could stop working so young! Teacher31231:

Poor baby. You have to work till you are 55, while the majority pf people can’t retire until they are 67.

Being able to retire after 25 years of service is a good thing. Wow, that would be between 47-50 for the average person. Most people would be thrilled if they could stop working so young!

]]> By: R. Skibins http://www.edwize.org/2255-a-rare-opportunity/comment-page-1#comment-1663 R. Skibins Tue, 11 Oct 2005 01:05:10 +0000 http://edwize.org/?p=132#comment-1663 Soc St teacher: In typical Unity fashion, you cannot disprove what your detractors have said, so you start in with the personal attacks. You sound very Republican to me. The fact is, the contract is a lousy piece of garbage. There is not one thing that is good about it. As far as the "political climate," it is the fault of lousy union leadership which led to this, beginning with Nixon golfing with the head of the AFL-CIO, and continuing with Randi Weingarten cozying up with Mayor Bloomberg at the Yankees game! As far as the 8-page contract proposal is concerned, give it up. That is not the arguement. We should have demanded more in the factfinding. We should have asked for the elimination of all extended time. We should have asked to shorten our school year to match the amount of days in the suburbs. We should have asked for 20 sick days, like in some Long Island districts. We should have demanded the right to choose curricuums, rather than some lawyer chancellor who awarded the math curriculum contract to the firm which employed his deputy chancellor's husband! <b>But NO</b> You decide to ask for nothing. Then instead of a decent factfinding report, we got a load of horsecrap. Even though it was non-binding, you chose to accept most of it, except for the additional coverages in the high schools, which you removed in order to bribe them. How much was our union leader bribed? Soc St teacher:

In typical Unity fashion, you cannot disprove what your detractors have said, so you start in with the personal attacks. You sound very Republican to me. The fact is, the contract is a lousy piece of garbage. There is not one thing that is good about it. As far as the “political climate,” it is the fault of lousy union leadership which led to this, beginning with Nixon golfing with the head of the AFL-CIO, and continuing with Randi Weingarten cozying up with Mayor Bloomberg at the Yankees game!

As far as the 8-page contract proposal is concerned, give it up. That is not the arguement. We should have demanded more in the factfinding. We should have asked for the elimination of all extended time. We should have asked to shorten our school year to match the amount of days in the suburbs. We should have asked for 20 sick days, like in some Long Island districts.
We should have demanded the right to choose curricuums, rather than some lawyer chancellor who awarded the math curriculum contract to the firm which employed his deputy chancellor’s husband!

But NO You decide to ask for nothing. Then instead of a decent factfinding report, we got a load of horsecrap. Even though it was non-binding, you chose to accept most of it, except for the additional coverages in the high schools, which you removed in order to bribe them. How much was our union leader bribed?

]]> By: Teacher31231 http://www.edwize.org/2255-a-rare-opportunity/comment-page-1#comment-1634 Teacher31231 Mon, 10 Oct 2005 22:09:52 +0000 http://edwize.org/?p=132#comment-1634 Listen HS SHOP TEACHER I can retire at 50 years old. I just can't collect till 55. Under the current system I can retire with no penalty at 55. Since I will have worked more than 30 years at 55 I can retire. I guess you can't. Oh and is should go over well that teachers should be able to retire after a defined amount of years and not an age. Garbage men, police, fire fighters, and corrections officers all retire after 20-years. Listen HS SHOP TEACHER I can retire at 50 years old. I just can’t collect till 55. Under the current system I can retire with no penalty at 55. Since I will have worked more than 30 years at 55 I can retire. I guess you can’t.

Oh and is should go over well that teachers should be able to retire after a defined amount of years and not an age. Garbage men, police, fire fighters, and corrections officers all retire after 20-years.

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