Comments on: Eva flames out on teacher quality http://www.edwize.org/eva-flames-out-on-teacher-quality Fri, 10 Feb 2012 02:46:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: firebrand http://www.edwize.org/eva-flames-out-on-teacher-quality/comment-page-2#comment-3761 firebrand Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:56:55 +0000 http://edwize.org/?p=211#comment-3761 No Slapz you can take my words however you wish to twist them. I do deserve better than the way I have been treated. The public school system has morphed into something where children come last and teachers come second to last. It's become a buisiness. One that does not pay me what I am worth. I've stayed this long for the children. I am leaving because of the adults. Rumor has it you're not even a teacher. I am a teacher and a good one. I've been a good one for fifteen years. No Slapz you can take my words however you wish to twist them. I do deserve better than the way I have been treated. The public school system has morphed into something where children come last and teachers come second to last. It’s become a buisiness. One that does not pay me what I am worth. I’ve stayed this long for the children. I am leaving because of the adults.

Rumor has it you’re not even a teacher. I am a teacher and a good one. I’ve been a good one for fifteen years.

]]> By: no_slappz http://www.edwize.org/eva-flames-out-on-teacher-quality/comment-page-2#comment-3708 no_slappz Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:36:53 +0000 http://edwize.org/?p=211#comment-3708 Firebrand, you wrote: "I can tell you what a good teacher looks like….You see them beating a path to the door in droves every year around June…never to return…be they retirees or on occasion new teachers who know that they deserve better." This comment reflects your view on the entire public education system as it is in New York. And as you added, "WORKING in public education failed me …not being a student in public education. I was a student in public education when students…and not dollars or power…or prestige or whatever it is this regime is driven by was paramount." Your words simply support my point: the system is a bureaucracy so large that it is beyond the management skills of anyone. And bigness in bureaucracies always leads to serious shortcomings for many who are enmeshed in it, whether as employees or as the recipients of its services. Firebrand, you wrote:

“I can tell you what a good teacher looks like….You see them beating a path to the door in droves every year around June…never to return…be they retirees or on occasion new teachers who know that they deserve better.”

This comment reflects your view on the entire public education system as it is in New York. And as you added,

“WORKING in public education failed me …not being a student in public education. I was a student in public education when students…and not dollars or power…or prestige or whatever it is this regime is driven by was paramount.”

Your words simply support my point: the system is a bureaucracy so large that it is beyond the management skills of anyone.

And bigness in bureaucracies always leads to serious shortcomings for many who are enmeshed in it, whether as employees or as the recipients of its services.

]]> By: firebrand http://www.edwize.org/eva-flames-out-on-teacher-quality/comment-page-2#comment-3683 firebrand Sat, 24 Dec 2005 12:17:21 +0000 http://edwize.org/?p=211#comment-3683 1. Firebrand is a woman. 2. Firebrand has fifteen years teaching experience and a guidence license that she chooses not to use. 3. Firebrand left law school one year away from graduating...after teaching the entire time she was in law school, to devote her life to teaching because she loved teaching and only liked the law. I think it's you who has no other options. I was in the top of my class the entire time I was in law school and expect to be there again. I don't stay in situations in which I am disrespected. WORKING in public education failed me ...not being a student in public education. I was a student in public education when students...and not dollars or power...or prestige or whatever it is this regime is driven by was paramount. 1. Firebrand is a woman.
2. Firebrand has fifteen years teaching experience and a guidence license that she chooses not to use.
3. Firebrand left law school one year away from graduating…after teaching the entire time she was in law school, to devote her life to teaching because she loved teaching and only liked the law.

I think it’s you who has no other options. I was in the top of my class the entire time I was in law school and expect to be there again. I don’t stay in situations in which I am disrespected.

WORKING in public education failed me …not being a student in public education. I was a student in public education when students…and not dollars or power…or prestige or whatever it is this regime is driven by was paramount.

]]> By: no_slappz http://www.edwize.org/eva-flames-out-on-teacher-quality/comment-page-1#comment-3647 no_slappz Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:54:06 +0000 http://edwize.org/?p=211#comment-3647 Because Firebrand doesn't have many options or alternatives with respect to a career as an educator, he is taking a path that says much about the failings of public education. He's leaving it altogether. Career alternatives exist for him. Because Firebrand doesn’t have many options or alternatives with respect to a career as an educator, he is taking a path that says much about the failings of public education.

He’s leaving it altogether. Career alternatives exist for him.

]]> By: firebrand http://www.edwize.org/eva-flames-out-on-teacher-quality/comment-page-1#comment-3615 firebrand Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:16:28 +0000 http://edwize.org/?p=211#comment-3615 Schoolgal-- I can tell you what a good teacher looks like....You see them beating a path to the door in droves every year around June...never to return...be they retirees or on occasion new teachers who know that they deserve better. I for one am returning to law school as of August. Schoolgal– I can tell you what a good teacher looks like….You see them beating a path to the door in droves every year around June…never to return…be they retirees or on occasion new teachers who know that they deserve better.

I for one am returning to law school as of August.

]]> By: no_slappz http://www.edwize.org/eva-flames-out-on-teacher-quality/comment-page-1#comment-3604 no_slappz Mon, 19 Dec 2005 21:36:10 +0000 http://edwize.org/?p=211#comment-3604 redhog: You wrote: "...you can trot out every cliche about caring about kids, professionalism, the “free market” et al..." What cliches did I trot out? And as for comment about "extremism", well, you're the guy who's operating on the fringe. redhog:

You wrote:

“…you can trot out every cliche about caring about kids, professionalism, the “free market” et al…”

What cliches did I trot out?

And as for comment about “extremism”, well, you’re the guy who’s operating on the fringe.

]]> By: CityTeacher http://www.edwize.org/eva-flames-out-on-teacher-quality/comment-page-1#comment-3554 CityTeacher Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:08:02 +0000 http://edwize.org/?p=211#comment-3554 Can I get an Amen! Can I get an Amen!

]]> By: redhog http://www.edwize.org/eva-flames-out-on-teacher-quality/comment-page-1#comment-3542 redhog Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:08:26 +0000 http://edwize.org/?p=211#comment-3542 "The devil can quote scripture" and you can trot out every cliche about caring about kids, professionalism, the "free market" et al, but your agenda is feral and fetid and workers should shout you down because you are a brazen example of extremism. “The devil can quote scripture” and you can trot out every cliche about caring about kids, professionalism, the “free market” et al, but your agenda is feral and fetid and workers should shout you down because you are a brazen example of extremism.

]]> By: no_slappz http://www.edwize.org/eva-flames-out-on-teacher-quality/comment-page-1#comment-3538 no_slappz Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:30:12 +0000 http://edwize.org/?p=211#comment-3538 redhog, consider me what you will, but my desire is to improve the educational outcomes for students everywhere but New York City especially. That aside, as those who want to redirect arguments away from the real issues always do, you engaged in an ad hominem attack. Moreover, you clearly have no interest in a "roundtable of ideas". Your table is not round, it is imaginary -- it has only one side: yours. redhog, consider me what you will, but my desire is to improve the educational outcomes for students everywhere but New York City especially.

That aside, as those who want to redirect arguments away from the real issues always do, you engaged in an ad hominem attack.

Moreover, you clearly have no interest in a “roundtable of ideas”. Your table is not round, it is imaginary — it has only one side: yours.

]]> By: redhog http://www.edwize.org/eva-flames-out-on-teacher-quality/comment-page-1#comment-3537 redhog Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:13:56 +0000 http://edwize.org/?p=211#comment-3537 No-slappz is a virulent anti-unionist who should be neither humored nor dignified by an invitation to our round table of ideas. Let's not waste our craft and passions on pleading for truth's acceptance from individuals of intractible animus and blockheadedness. Demogogues get lost! No-slappz is a virulent anti-unionist who should be neither humored nor dignified by an invitation to our round table of ideas. Let’s not waste our craft and passions on pleading for truth’s acceptance from individuals of intractible animus and blockheadedness. Demogogues get lost!

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