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	<title>Comments on: Is The Educational Right Capable Of Debating Obama&#8217;s Educational Program?</title>
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		<title>By: New York Times On Obama And Ayers &#124; Edwize</title>
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		<dc:creator>New York Times On Obama And Ayers &#124; Edwize</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 01:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to smear Barack Obama with the political past of Bill Ayers, and came to the same conclusion that we reached here at Edwize last [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Leo Casey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leo Casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve:

I have yet to see any evidence that Obama is aware of Ayers&#039; educational views, much less that they have influenced him.

If folks want to criticize Ayers&#039; educational views, go right ahead. Good vigorous debate is a healthy thing.

Just don&#039;t tar Obama by association with Ayers.

BTW, I come from a large Irish Catholic working class family. Four of my five siblings are involved in education. My father was a sheet metal worker who became a shop teacher, and my mom was an elementary school teacher. There are people who I knew in politics before I became a teacher who are also involved in education. Is that odd? Millions of Americans work in education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve:</p>
<p>I have yet to see any evidence that Obama is aware of Ayers&#8217; educational views, much less that they have influenced him.</p>
<p>If folks want to criticize Ayers&#8217; educational views, go right ahead. Good vigorous debate is a healthy thing.</p>
<p>Just don&#8217;t tar Obama by association with Ayers.</p>
<p>BTW, I come from a large Irish Catholic working class family. Four of my five siblings are involved in education. My father was a sheet metal worker who became a shop teacher, and my mom was an elementary school teacher. There are people who I knew in politics before I became a teacher who are also involved in education. Is that odd? Millions of Americans work in education.</p>
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		<title>By: More On Obama And Ayers &#124; Edwize</title>
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		<dc:creator>More On Obama And Ayers &#124; Edwize</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] his reply [below] to our post, Is the educational right capable of debating Obama&#8217;s educational program?, Sol Stern wants to have his rhetorical cake and eat it, too. He wants credit for saying that it is [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sol Stern Replies On Obama And Klonsky &#124; Edwize</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sol Stern Replies On Obama And Klonsky &#124; Edwize</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Stern replies to our post, Is the educational right capable of debating Obama&#8217;s educational program?, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Steve Diamond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Diamond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not just folks on the right who are, or should be, concerned about the influence of Ayers/Klonsky on Obama&#039;s education policy. 

Ayers developed a race-based approach to politics in the late 60s and early 70s that relied on a variant of the &quot;unequal exchange&quot; argument of maoists and other third worldists.  He applied it to the domestic US and argued that white workers lived off the backs of black workers. 

Today he has endorsed a related proposal by Gloria Ladson-Billings and Obama education advisor Linda Darling-Hammond for &quot;repayment of centuries of education debt&quot; that has allegedly accumulated over centuries to people of color. 

That is, in my view, fundamentally at odds - well, with rational argument - but also with the comprehensive multi-factor policy menu advocated by the EPI-convened Bold Approach.

Ayers, Obama and Klonsky have been working together on education policy in various ways for many years, going back to the late 1980s.  Ayers and Obama co-led the six year long $110 million Chicago Annenberg Challenge Program.  Klonsky was a recipient of a 1995 grant of $175,000 from the Challenge for the Small Schools Workshop that he was hired by Ayers to head up (apparently Klonsky was a cab driver in Chicago at the time) in 1992.  

While I have some concern that Obama would even shake hands with someone who was almost single handedly responsible for wrecking the student antiwar movement with his violent, illegal and despicable acts, I am far more  concerned that Obama thinks this guy has anything useful to say about American schoolchildren.  

(For the record, I think that Sol Stern made a similar argument - I  hold no brief for neo-cons but his City Journal article was aimed at attempting to steer the conversation away from Ayers&#039; violent past to his current approach to education policy and theory.)

Btw, Ayers brothers Rick and John and (late) father Tom and Klonsky&#039;s wife, brother and daughter all work in or on education issues.  So does Mark Rudd and Carl Davidson.  Strikes me as a bit odd, frankly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not just folks on the right who are, or should be, concerned about the influence of Ayers/Klonsky on Obama&#8217;s education policy. </p>
<p>Ayers developed a race-based approach to politics in the late 60s and early 70s that relied on a variant of the &#8220;unequal exchange&#8221; argument of maoists and other third worldists.  He applied it to the domestic US and argued that white workers lived off the backs of black workers. </p>
<p>Today he has endorsed a related proposal by Gloria Ladson-Billings and Obama education advisor Linda Darling-Hammond for &#8220;repayment of centuries of education debt&#8221; that has allegedly accumulated over centuries to people of color. </p>
<p>That is, in my view, fundamentally at odds &#8211; well, with rational argument &#8211; but also with the comprehensive multi-factor policy menu advocated by the EPI-convened Bold Approach.</p>
<p>Ayers, Obama and Klonsky have been working together on education policy in various ways for many years, going back to the late 1980s.  Ayers and Obama co-led the six year long $110 million Chicago Annenberg Challenge Program.  Klonsky was a recipient of a 1995 grant of $175,000 from the Challenge for the Small Schools Workshop that he was hired by Ayers to head up (apparently Klonsky was a cab driver in Chicago at the time) in 1992.  </p>
<p>While I have some concern that Obama would even shake hands with someone who was almost single handedly responsible for wrecking the student antiwar movement with his violent, illegal and despicable acts, I am far more  concerned that Obama thinks this guy has anything useful to say about American schoolchildren.  </p>
<p>(For the record, I think that Sol Stern made a similar argument &#8211; I  hold no brief for neo-cons but his City Journal article was aimed at attempting to steer the conversation away from Ayers&#8217; violent past to his current approach to education policy and theory.)</p>
<p>Btw, Ayers brothers Rick and John and (late) father Tom and Klonsky&#8217;s wife, brother and daughter all work in or on education issues.  So does Mark Rudd and Carl Davidson.  Strikes me as a bit odd, frankly.</p>
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