Comments on: LIF: Where We’ve Been and Where We Are! http://www.edwize.org/lif-where-weve-been-and-where-we-are Fri, 10 Feb 2012 02:46:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: shouldhavegonetomeds http://www.edwize.org/lif-where-weve-been-and-where-we-are/comment-page-2#comment-1893 shouldhavegonetomeds Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:50:22 +0000 http://edwize.org/?p=125#comment-1893 Myplab The pay reduction for new members at Stanitation is for six months only. Now you don't need an MBA from MIT to realize that is cheaper than getting a Master's degree. Think about it. Vote NO!!! Myplab

The pay reduction for new members at Stanitation is for six months only. Now you don’t need an MBA from MIT to realize that is cheaper than getting a Master’s degree.

Think about it. Vote NO!!!

]]> By: MichaelB http://www.edwize.org/lif-where-weve-been-and-where-we-are/comment-page-2#comment-1874 MichaelB Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:23:35 +0000 http://edwize.org/?p=125#comment-1874 I have serious concern about the way this contract would affect newer teachers. Since there is no more "permanent" state certification, new and incoming teachers will need to renew their "professional" certification every five years. To do so they must show that they have engaged in 175(?) hours of professional development during that time. As I understand it, the current weekly PD we do at our schools satisfies this requirement. (does anyone know anything about this?) Since the proposed contract would take away weekly PD, newer teachers would now be forced to look outside the school for 35 hours of PD a year. This, of course, is a much more significant time commitment than staying late once a week, not to mention a big source of stress to have this new set of tasks on one's "to-do" list. If I'm correct about this, the new contract will be a disaster for newer teachers and we need to get the word out to them about it. Can anyone clarify the situation? I have serious concern about the way this contract would affect newer teachers.

Since there is no more “permanent” state certification, new and incoming teachers will need to renew their “professional” certification every five years. To do so they must show that they have engaged in 175(?) hours of professional development during that time. As I understand it, the current weekly PD we do at our schools satisfies this requirement. (does anyone know anything about this?)

Since the proposed contract would take away weekly PD, newer teachers would now be forced to look outside the school for 35 hours of PD a year. This, of course, is a much more significant time commitment than staying late once a week, not to mention a big source of stress to have this new set of tasks on one’s “to-do” list.

If I’m correct about this, the new contract will be a disaster for newer teachers and we need to get the word out to them about it. Can anyone clarify the situation?

]]> By: mvplab http://www.edwize.org/lif-where-weve-been-and-where-we-are/comment-page-2#comment-1864 mvplab Thu, 13 Oct 2005 15:53:28 +0000 http://edwize.org/?p=125#comment-1864 shouldhavegonetomeds: Are you suggesting that we take the same kind of deal? One person trucks, reduce starting salaries for newbornes by $4,000? I'm proud to be a UFTer because our senior members refuse to cannibalize our newest members! Brothers and sisters we can disagree, but this is a contract that doesn't sacrifice our future members. I hope no one is suggesting that we do that! shouldhavegonetomeds:
Are you suggesting that we take the same kind of deal? One person trucks, reduce starting salaries for newbornes by $4,000?

I’m proud to be a UFTer because our senior members refuse to cannibalize our newest members!

Brothers and sisters we can disagree, but this is a contract that doesn’t sacrifice our future members. I hope no one is suggesting that we do that!

]]> By: Urban Elephants http://www.edwize.org/lif-where-weve-been-and-where-we-are/comment-page-2#comment-1854 Urban Elephants Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:31:47 +0000 http://edwize.org/?p=125#comment-1854 <strong>Elephant Allies</strong> Elephant Allies New York City political blogs On the RightOn the LeftMedia Blogs Elephant Allies

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]]> By: hypatiaNYC http://www.edwize.org/lif-where-weve-been-and-where-we-are/comment-page-2#comment-1841 hypatiaNYC Thu, 13 Oct 2005 05:43:17 +0000 http://edwize.org/?p=125#comment-1841 More psychobable from psychoMike. Members of the carpenters union do sub-standard work when they are unhappy with their rate of pay. Wallpaper hangers hire thugs to intimidate and evict non-union workers from job sites. And this pertains to our contract struggle...how? Are you suggesting that we hire some “huge guys” to threaten our colleagues, throw abusive principals out of buildings, maybe destroy a few classrooms? Somehow I don't think this will help us get a better deal. We may not be totally satisfied with the contract proposal, but we need to be realistic, vote 'yes' and move on to heal the schism in our union. More psychobable from psychoMike.

Members of the carpenters union do sub-standard work when they are unhappy with their rate of pay. Wallpaper hangers hire thugs to intimidate and evict non-union workers from job sites. And this pertains to our contract struggle…how? Are you suggesting that we hire some “huge guys” to threaten our colleagues, throw abusive principals out of buildings, maybe destroy a few classrooms? Somehow I don’t think this will help us get a better deal. We may not be totally satisfied with the contract proposal, but we need to be realistic, vote ‘yes’ and move on to heal the schism in our union.

]]> By: shouldhavegonetomeds http://www.edwize.org/lif-where-weve-been-and-where-we-are/comment-page-2#comment-1794 shouldhavegonetomeds Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:54:18 +0000 http://edwize.org/?p=125#comment-1794 Hey Cornell, Sanitation just got a 17 per cent raise over only 51 months. It's silly to think we can't do better. This is the premiere city of the world's richest nation. Hey Cornell,

Sanitation just got a 17 per cent raise over only 51 months. It’s silly to think we can’t do better. This is the premiere city of the world’s richest nation.

]]> By: cornell http://www.edwize.org/lif-where-weve-been-and-where-we-are/comment-page-2#comment-1768 cornell Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:56:33 +0000 http://edwize.org/?p=125#comment-1768 Psycho: I'm sending you in first, but don't be embarrassed if when you look over your shoulder there's no one behind you. Especially when you tear down bulletin boards and toss chairs and desks out the window. Hey, why not toss some kids out as well? Be sensible man! I agree with the need to get tough, but that doesn't mean we have to bang our heads against the wall or fall on our swords. As a military man, you know there is no shame in retreat especially when it's necessary to protect your troops. So we have assessed the enemy, and we have to yield on some fronts to maintain our position. We are not going to wage a full frontal attack in the face of machine gun fire. I think it makes sense to do that. So vote yes on this contract for the sake of the troops. Psycho:

I’m sending you in first, but don’t be embarrassed if when you look over your shoulder there’s no one behind you. Especially when you tear down bulletin boards and toss chairs and desks out the window. Hey, why not toss some kids out as well?

Be sensible man! I agree with the need to get tough, but that doesn’t mean we have to bang our heads against the wall or fall on our swords. As a military man, you know there is no shame in retreat especially when it’s necessary to protect your troops.

So we have assessed the enemy, and we have to yield on some fronts to maintain our position. We are not going to wage a full frontal attack in the face of machine gun fire.

I think it makes sense to do that.

So vote yes on this contract for the sake of the troops.

]]> By: PsychoMikeUSMC http://www.edwize.org/lif-where-weve-been-and-where-we-are/comment-page-2#comment-1678 PsychoMikeUSMC Tue, 11 Oct 2005 03:57:09 +0000 http://edwize.org/?p=125#comment-1678 I stand corrected SteadyEddie. However, look at Hypatia. "I truly believe that this is the best deal we are likely to see for a long time. It may not be all we wanted, but it’s the only game in town". This is pathetic. This is what I am talking about. How is this the only game in town. How about you vote no shmuck. Does that change the game? The defeatist attitude prevails with this union. Cows to the slaughter. Any kid who becomes a member of the Carpenter's Union is taught that the system works for them. They will slow things down if the powers that be get in the way of their pay scale. I had a job in Manhattan while working my way through college. The building hired non union wall paper hangers. Right away, there was a picket line outside. In two hours, a few huge guys came in and asked the non union to leave. When they said no, the union reps picked up their tools and threw them out of the building. The union delegates, as they called themselves, had badges and union cards that they flashed. It was an intimidating thing. They were huge guys. The advertising agency then had to hire union workers to hang the wall paper. They did shlock work but that is what they had to accept. It looked like good work to the average Joe. This union could use some huge guys walking around acting as if they are ready to call in the calvary. I will tell you this. When you act like sheep, you get treated like sheep. I stand corrected SteadyEddie. However, look at Hypatia. “I truly believe that this is the best deal we are likely to see for a long time. It may not be all we wanted, but it’s the only game in town”. This is pathetic. This is what I am talking about. How is this the only game in town. How about you vote no shmuck. Does that change the game? The defeatist attitude prevails with this union. Cows to the slaughter. Any kid who becomes a member of the Carpenter’s Union is taught that the system works for them. They will slow things down if the powers that be get in the way of their pay scale. I had a job in Manhattan while working my way through college. The building hired non union wall paper hangers. Right away, there was a picket line outside. In two hours, a few huge guys came in and asked the non union to leave. When they said no, the union reps picked up their tools and threw them out of the building. The union delegates, as they called themselves, had badges and union cards that they flashed. It was an intimidating thing. They were huge guys. The advertising agency then had to hire union workers to hang the wall paper. They did shlock work but that is what they had to accept. It looked like good work to the average Joe. This union could use some huge guys walking around acting as if they are ready to call in the calvary. I will tell you this. When you act like sheep, you get treated like sheep.

]]> By: steadyeddieg http://www.edwize.org/lif-where-weve-been-and-where-we-are/comment-page-2#comment-1590 steadyeddieg Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:27:52 +0000 http://edwize.org/?p=125#comment-1590 Mr. Mike- You misunderstood. I'm terribly against the contract. To me, it represents the end of every hard fought item the teachers gained in the last number of years. What I did say was that bringing up the Nazi holocaust serves no purpose at this time. I retired after 32 years in 2001. If I were still active, I'd be voting no all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mr. Mike- You misunderstood. I’m terribly against the contract. To me, it represents the end of every hard fought item the teachers gained in the last number of years.
What I did say was that bringing up the Nazi holocaust serves no purpose at this time.
I retired after 32 years in 2001. If I were still active, I’d be voting no all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!

]]> By: PsychoMikeUSMC http://www.edwize.org/lif-where-weve-been-and-where-we-are/comment-page-2#comment-1558 PsychoMikeUSMC Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:12:43 +0000 http://edwize.org/?p=125#comment-1558 SteadyEddie is a sell out. People like you ruin any chance that we have of ever gaining the advancements that are possible. Why do you need that money so badly? You sell out your members for that? If you vote on a contract that is 0% for the first six months, that means that the last contract was not a 3 year contract. The actual increase on the last contract would be less over 3 1/2 years. That will set a precedent for them to offer 0% for the first year of the next contract. So, this contract will actually be 15% over five years. People like you allow this situation to occur. Did you allow the other kids to steal your milk money as well? You are like the prison inmate who becomes someone's bit*h. You are happy that you are getting reamed just a little--not by all of the inmates. Did you ever think that some things are worth risking? Why not vote no? It won't be like when you were in third grade. No scraped knees from being pushed around the school yard during recess. Those days are over for you now. You made it to the title of teacher. Oh boy. SteadyEddie is a sell out. People like you ruin any chance that we have of ever gaining the advancements that are possible. Why do you need that money so badly? You sell out your members for that? If you vote on a contract that is 0% for the first six months, that means that the last contract was not a 3 year contract. The actual increase on the last contract would be less over 3 1/2 years. That will set a precedent for them to offer 0% for the first year of the next contract. So, this contract will actually be 15% over five years. People like you allow this situation to occur. Did you allow the other kids to steal your milk money as well? You are like the prison inmate who becomes someone’s bit*h. You are happy that you are getting reamed just a little–not by all of the inmates. Did you ever think that some things are worth risking? Why not vote no? It won’t be like when you were in third grade. No scraped knees from being pushed around the school yard during recess. Those days are over for you now. You made it to the title of teacher. Oh boy.

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