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		<title>By: NYC Educator</title>
		<link>http://www.edwize.org/newer-teachers-unite/comment-page-1#comment-2997</link>
		<dc:creator>NYC Educator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2005 15:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HS Teacher,

You’re certainly free to pointedly ignore the pro-contract aspect (the entire second paragraph) of the original post. 

It’s unfortunate you feel the need to silence dissenting voices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HS Teacher,</p>
<p>You’re certainly free to pointedly ignore the pro-contract aspect (the entire second paragraph) of the original post. </p>
<p>It’s unfortunate you feel the need to silence dissenting voices.</p>
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		<title>By: newteachernyc</title>
		<link>http://www.edwize.org/newer-teachers-unite/comment-page-1#comment-2992</link>
		<dc:creator>newteachernyc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2005 13:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a new teacher at a new school. I&#039;m also my school&#039;s union rep. All of the  teachers at my school are brand new, and I at least was/am politically active and know/care about unions. And because I did student teaching last year, I have a tiny clue about nyc schools, unlike the rest of the staff who are TFA or international teachers (I&#039;m the only one with a master&#039;s in education and certified in new york). 

So I&#039;m finally starting to peek my head above water and educate myself about union issues, partly out of necessity because of what&#039;s going on at my school, and partly because I&#039;m making it a priority.

However, I feel totally clueless most of the time and am starting to get the feeling that I don&#039;t know who I can trust. I&#039;ve already gotten in a bit of trouble for &quot;making waves&quot; and questioning our teacher programs, certification issues, PD overload, and lack of supplies, etc. I was told that I &quot;lack perspective&quot; and &quot;don&#039;t know how good we have it&quot; compared to other schools, and that the issues I&#039;ve been questioning are &quot;not union issues&quot; and should be brought up by individual teachers one-on-one with the principal. My feeling is that this is all BS, but then again, I have very little contact with experienced teachers, so I don&#039;t really know. 

My principal is almost dripping with resentment that we have established a union presence and, however fledgling our chapter is at this point, that we intend to fight for our rights as teachers... She tells me not to compare my workload with other teachers&#039;, but in the next sentence, she mentions resentfully that she&#039;s not asking more from us than what other new schools are asking of their teachers, so she&#039;s not sure why she&#039;s having so much &quot;trouble&quot; with her teachers. 

The thing is, I like my principal. I want to believe she&#039;s doing what she thinks is best for our students, and that we could actually achieve all of her idealistic goals. I don&#039;t want to have to pull out the contract, and I am not looking to &quot;make trouble&quot;. But the teachers in my school cannot handle the workload. We have neither the experience nor the resources to do so. I got my MA from a respected private graduate school, did my student teaching, and want to make a difference. I want to teach! I love teaching! But I didn&#039;t know I had to sell my soul to do it, and I WILL fight back when I feel that my concerns are being silenced.

I know now that I need to actively seek out trusted veteran teachers and ask their advice. The problem is that as a new teacher in a new school, it&#039;s very hard to know who I can go to, and who will give me accurate information, etc. I finally (this week) got on a UFT email list, which got me to this blog. I had to seek out UFT forms and information, which took time that I didn&#039;t have. I finally got my hands on UFT enrollment and welfare fund forms. I spent hours pouring over the contract one weekend. I had to ask around to find out who our district rep is, and arrange a meeting with him. So it was about 1.5 months into school before I realized some of the things that were happening in our school were not legal. I can&#039;t imagine what it&#039;s like in other schools where the brand new staff doesn&#039;t even have someone like me who will take so much time to figure it out and won&#039;t be intimidated enough not to speak out. It&#039;s very easy to just believe and trust your principal when they present themselves as being on your side (until, of course, you ask too many questions). 

Any advice from veteran teachers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a new teacher at a new school. I&#8217;m also my school&#8217;s union rep. All of the  teachers at my school are brand new, and I at least was/am politically active and know/care about unions. And because I did student teaching last year, I have a tiny clue about nyc schools, unlike the rest of the staff who are TFA or international teachers (I&#8217;m the only one with a master&#8217;s in education and certified in new york). </p>
<p>So I&#8217;m finally starting to peek my head above water and educate myself about union issues, partly out of necessity because of what&#8217;s going on at my school, and partly because I&#8217;m making it a priority.</p>
<p>However, I feel totally clueless most of the time and am starting to get the feeling that I don&#8217;t know who I can trust. I&#8217;ve already gotten in a bit of trouble for &#8220;making waves&#8221; and questioning our teacher programs, certification issues, PD overload, and lack of supplies, etc. I was told that I &#8220;lack perspective&#8221; and &#8220;don&#8217;t know how good we have it&#8221; compared to other schools, and that the issues I&#8217;ve been questioning are &#8220;not union issues&#8221; and should be brought up by individual teachers one-on-one with the principal. My feeling is that this is all BS, but then again, I have very little contact with experienced teachers, so I don&#8217;t really know. </p>
<p>My principal is almost dripping with resentment that we have established a union presence and, however fledgling our chapter is at this point, that we intend to fight for our rights as teachers&#8230; She tells me not to compare my workload with other teachers&#8217;, but in the next sentence, she mentions resentfully that she&#8217;s not asking more from us than what other new schools are asking of their teachers, so she&#8217;s not sure why she&#8217;s having so much &#8220;trouble&#8221; with her teachers. </p>
<p>The thing is, I like my principal. I want to believe she&#8217;s doing what she thinks is best for our students, and that we could actually achieve all of her idealistic goals. I don&#8217;t want to have to pull out the contract, and I am not looking to &#8220;make trouble&#8221;. But the teachers in my school cannot handle the workload. We have neither the experience nor the resources to do so. I got my MA from a respected private graduate school, did my student teaching, and want to make a difference. I want to teach! I love teaching! But I didn&#8217;t know I had to sell my soul to do it, and I WILL fight back when I feel that my concerns are being silenced.</p>
<p>I know now that I need to actively seek out trusted veteran teachers and ask their advice. The problem is that as a new teacher in a new school, it&#8217;s very hard to know who I can go to, and who will give me accurate information, etc. I finally (this week) got on a UFT email list, which got me to this blog. I had to seek out UFT forms and information, which took time that I didn&#8217;t have. I finally got my hands on UFT enrollment and welfare fund forms. I spent hours pouring over the contract one weekend. I had to ask around to find out who our district rep is, and arrange a meeting with him. So it was about 1.5 months into school before I realized some of the things that were happening in our school were not legal. I can&#8217;t imagine what it&#8217;s like in other schools where the brand new staff doesn&#8217;t even have someone like me who will take so much time to figure it out and won&#8217;t be intimidated enough not to speak out. It&#8217;s very easy to just believe and trust your principal when they present themselves as being on your side (until, of course, you ask too many questions). </p>
<p>Any advice from veteran teachers?</p>
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		<title>By: HS_ teacher</title>
		<link>http://www.edwize.org/newer-teachers-unite/comment-page-1#comment-2979</link>
		<dc:creator>HS_ teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2005 04:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No NYC Educator, I am not even suggesting for anyone to &quot;shut up&quot;.  But if this thread is about organizing and uniting our membership particularly our new teachers than why must you in your first comment here (along with Bklynteacher) change the topic and in a short time, again start politcizing this topic for internal union politics?  It seems like you (and others) are gearing for another election in 2007 (even before this contract was voted on).
Regardless of what I or anyone says here or anywhere else you and others will say what you want, which you are free to do, but in this particular thread, Why don’t we try to come up with some constructive suggetions “about how the union can build a support network for newer teachers”?   It isn&#039;t &quot;shutting you up&quot; it is suggesting to stick to the topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No NYC Educator, I am not even suggesting for anyone to &#8220;shut up&#8221;.  But if this thread is about organizing and uniting our membership particularly our new teachers than why must you in your first comment here (along with Bklynteacher) change the topic and in a short time, again start politcizing this topic for internal union politics?  It seems like you (and others) are gearing for another election in 2007 (even before this contract was voted on).<br />
Regardless of what I or anyone says here or anywhere else you and others will say what you want, which you are free to do, but in this particular thread, Why don’t we try to come up with some constructive suggetions “about how the union can build a support network for newer teachers”?   It isn&#8217;t &#8220;shutting you up&#8221; it is suggesting to stick to the topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Annie</title>
		<link>http://www.edwize.org/newer-teachers-unite/comment-page-1#comment-2978</link>
		<dc:creator>Annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2005 04:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been teaching for 8 years and I&#039;ve noticed a huge change in the teaching profession.

If I were a new teacher, I would never ever stay in a system that treats us so badly.  We are treated as if we are children, not trained professionals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been teaching for 8 years and I&#8217;ve noticed a huge change in the teaching profession.</p>
<p>If I were a new teacher, I would never ever stay in a system that treats us so badly.  We are treated as if we are children, not trained professionals.</p>
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		<title>By: NYC Educator</title>
		<link>http://www.edwize.org/newer-teachers-unite/comment-page-1#comment-2853</link>
		<dc:creator>NYC Educator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 19:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, HS teacher, I&#039;m not &quot;ranting&quot; any more than you.  Your conclusions, again, are entirely incorrect.  

You&#039;re certainly free to pointedly ignore the pro-contract aspect (the entire second paragraph) of the original post.  It&#039;s unfortunate you feel the need to silence dissenting voices.

I sincerely regret you are unable to construct an affirmative response beyond wishing those with whom you disagree would shut up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, HS teacher, I&#8217;m not &#8220;ranting&#8221; any more than you.  Your conclusions, again, are entirely incorrect.  </p>
<p>You&#8217;re certainly free to pointedly ignore the pro-contract aspect (the entire second paragraph) of the original post.  It&#8217;s unfortunate you feel the need to silence dissenting voices.</p>
<p>I sincerely regret you are unable to construct an affirmative response beyond wishing those with whom you disagree would shut up.</p>
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		<title>By: HS_ teacher</title>
		<link>http://www.edwize.org/newer-teachers-unite/comment-page-1#comment-2841</link>
		<dc:creator>HS_ teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 05:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you again “NYC Educator” for proving my point.  You have nothing constructive to say about the topic but you have to politicize it.  It isn’t about agreeing with me or anyone else for that matter, but rather you just feel that you need to make a political issue about every comment you make.  What is sad is that you arguments about the proposed contract, which can be yours to make about it, is not really about the rights of members that you seem to want to protect.  Rather at every opportunity, regardless of the thread, you want pontificate about your gripes.  But it seems that those gripes are focused on UFT presidential elections of 2007 (not this particular contract proposal in 2005).  The fact that you say “It’s just like those goshdarn liberals who keep hounding poor President Bush even though the election is over” tells me that you are about being in political opposition to who is currently elected and looking for the next election.  For you it seems that the contract is not the issue but rather politics “even though the election (last UFT presidential elections) is over”.  “R. Skibins” and “233288193” seem to be in line with you.
But again this thread is NOT about the particular contract proposal nor was my previous comment but of course you choose to ignore it by dismissing it and then rant about the contract proposal . . . again.  But that’s right political caucuses aren’t your thing, right?

Hey guys, I got an idea! Why don&#039;t we try to come up with some constructive suggetions to &quot;about how the union can build a support network for newer teachers&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you again “NYC Educator” for proving my point.  You have nothing constructive to say about the topic but you have to politicize it.  It isn’t about agreeing with me or anyone else for that matter, but rather you just feel that you need to make a political issue about every comment you make.  What is sad is that you arguments about the proposed contract, which can be yours to make about it, is not really about the rights of members that you seem to want to protect.  Rather at every opportunity, regardless of the thread, you want pontificate about your gripes.  But it seems that those gripes are focused on UFT presidential elections of 2007 (not this particular contract proposal in 2005).  The fact that you say “It’s just like those goshdarn liberals who keep hounding poor President Bush even though the election is over” tells me that you are about being in political opposition to who is currently elected and looking for the next election.  For you it seems that the contract is not the issue but rather politics “even though the election (last UFT presidential elections) is over”.  “R. Skibins” and “233288193” seem to be in line with you.<br />
But again this thread is NOT about the particular contract proposal nor was my previous comment but of course you choose to ignore it by dismissing it and then rant about the contract proposal . . . again.  But that’s right political caucuses aren’t your thing, right?</p>
<p>Hey guys, I got an idea! Why don&#8217;t we try to come up with some constructive suggetions to &#8220;about how the union can build a support network for newer teachers&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: R. Skibins</title>
		<link>http://www.edwize.org/newer-teachers-unite/comment-page-1#comment-2822</link>
		<dc:creator>R. Skibins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2005 03:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wasn&#039;t she on his transition team? Didn&#039;t Pataki appoint her to some statewide taskforce or committe of some sort?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t she on his transition team? Didn&#8217;t Pataki appoint her to some statewide taskforce or committe of some sort?</p>
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		<title>By: 233288193</title>
		<link>http://www.edwize.org/newer-teachers-unite/comment-page-1#comment-2818</link>
		<dc:creator>233288193</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2005 02:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless of the outcome of the contract vote, a UNITED opposition against Unity must be formed with a platform which calls for term limits and mimimum RECENT in-class teaching experience. If the membership REALLY knew what Weingarten&#039;s &quot;teaching&quot; experience was, perhaps they&#039;d would think twice when she feigns empathy for the working stiff.  At a district  meeting for UFT reps she once boasted that prior to his election, Bloomberg had asked her to serve as a Deputy Mayor in his administation-why take a pay cut!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of the outcome of the contract vote, a UNITED opposition against Unity must be formed with a platform which calls for term limits and mimimum RECENT in-class teaching experience. If the membership REALLY knew what Weingarten&#8217;s &#8220;teaching&#8221; experience was, perhaps they&#8217;d would think twice when she feigns empathy for the working stiff.  At a district  meeting for UFT reps she once boasted that prior to his election, Bloomberg had asked her to serve as a Deputy Mayor in his administation-why take a pay cut!</p>
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		<title>By: R. Skibins</title>
		<link>http://www.edwize.org/newer-teachers-unite/comment-page-1#comment-2806</link>
		<dc:creator>R. Skibins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 19:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope that the new teachers are ready for lunch duty and potty patrol, as that is what they will get if this contract passes. And, when you are laid off, as it doesn&#039;t seem that there is a no-layoff clause, don&#039;t come crying to me. Most new teachers don&#039;t have a clue how our UFT forefathers struggled to gain rights for us all. Do you want to go back to the forced transfer days? Or days when we had no preps? Or when you were terminated for being pregnant? Or when your assignment was changed arbitrarily by the supervisor? Or no health benifits? Keep voting for sellout contracts and those who negotiate them, and that is what you will get!

It is time for groups like TJC and ICE to unite and field one viable candidate to challenge Weingarten in the next UFT presidential election. There was a reason why the proposed contract runs out &lt;i&gt;after&lt;/i&gt; the next election: Weingarten knows that she would lose, as we would not want a new contract with more givebacks. But unlike the general population, our memories are long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope that the new teachers are ready for lunch duty and potty patrol, as that is what they will get if this contract passes. And, when you are laid off, as it doesn&#8217;t seem that there is a no-layoff clause, don&#8217;t come crying to me. Most new teachers don&#8217;t have a clue how our UFT forefathers struggled to gain rights for us all. Do you want to go back to the forced transfer days? Or days when we had no preps? Or when you were terminated for being pregnant? Or when your assignment was changed arbitrarily by the supervisor? Or no health benifits? Keep voting for sellout contracts and those who negotiate them, and that is what you will get!</p>
<p>It is time for groups like TJC and ICE to unite and field one viable candidate to challenge Weingarten in the next UFT presidential election. There was a reason why the proposed contract runs out <i>after</i> the next election: Weingarten knows that she would lose, as we would not want a new contract with more givebacks. But unlike the general population, our memories are long.</p>
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		<title>By: northbrooklyn</title>
		<link>http://www.edwize.org/newer-teachers-unite/comment-page-1#comment-2786</link>
		<dc:creator>northbrooklyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 02:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan is correct there is a crying need to reach out to new teachers and the old dudes as well. I would love to lay out a plan if I could figure out how to  &#039;start a thread?&#039; if that is what it is called.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan is correct there is a crying need to reach out to new teachers and the old dudes as well. I would love to lay out a plan if I could figure out how to  &#8216;start a thread?&#8217; if that is what it is called.</p>
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