Comments on: Paying Kids To Show Up — Rheelly Dumb http://www.edwize.org/paying-kids-to-show-up-rheelly-dumb Fri, 10 Feb 2012 02:46:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Katboogie http://www.edwize.org/paying-kids-to-show-up-rheelly-dumb/comment-page-1#comment-66224 Katboogie Thu, 04 Dec 2008 07:39:42 +0000 http://edwize.org/?p=1802#comment-66224 We ALL do those things which we believe will produce rewarding results. Is there ANY young person who is completing their high school education without any sense that there are societal "rewards" for their determination? Is being recognized as an "Honor Roll" student a "reward?" How about the receipt of scholarships? Could that be seen as a "reward?" How about increasing the likelihood of becoming financially independent? Could that be a "reward?" It looks to me like rewards MUST be attached to motivate students to achieve any level of academic success. A student, who can see no reward in sight to continue even a basic high school education, is a student who has given up. A student, who gives up on our education system, has few options in today's work force. The likelihood that they will be able to produce an above-poverty level lifestyle for themselves and their children is very limited. Chances are, their children won't come to school prepared to succeed either. Nor is it likely that these under-educated parents are able to support their children with homework help. However, I do not think all students should be paid to attend school. Those "at risk" students could potentially learn something from being paid. Usually, when I "give up" it is because I feel overwhelmed and I just can't do everything on my own. I think a lot of the times; this may be what is happening to "drop-outs". They might go strait to working at a fast food restaurant or factory because this gives instant return. For students who live in poverty, or difficult home environments, a job gives them two things: 1) Financial Security, because making money means that they can buy groceries, or hygiene products, or even clothing, that will allow them to live more normally in society; and 2) A sense of Survival that is only maintained if they attend to work. With this said, a "drop-out" is not completely giving up. They leave school for something that seems more appropriate for them in the given situation. If dropping out is a concern, a logical solution would be to provide to the "drop-outs" with what seems attractive about the working world. Most likely, this is money. In the working world, cash-flow exists. UNFORTUNATELY, education gives up on students, where they could be playing a supportive role in helping students’ complete high school so that the "working world" has more options. I feel that paying the "at risk" and drop-out students will increase school attendance and participation, and in the long-term, reduce chronic dependence upon government aid for basic survival, because graduates will have more options available in the workplace and in post-secondary education. But, that's just my opinion. We ALL do those things which we believe will produce rewarding results. Is there ANY young person who is completing their high school education without any sense that there are societal “rewards” for their determination? Is being recognized as an “Honor Roll” student a “reward?” How about the receipt of scholarships? Could that be seen as a “reward?” How about increasing the likelihood of becoming financially independent? Could that be a “reward?” It looks to me like rewards MUST be attached to motivate students to achieve any level of academic success. A student, who can see no reward in sight to continue even a basic high school education, is a student who has given up. A student, who gives up on our education system, has few options in today’s work force. The likelihood that they will be able to produce an above-poverty level lifestyle for themselves and their children is very limited. Chances are, their children won’t come to school prepared to succeed either. Nor is it likely that these under-educated parents are able to support their children with homework help. However, I do not think all students should be paid to attend school. Those “at risk” students could potentially learn something from being paid. Usually, when I “give up” it is because I feel overwhelmed and I just can’t do everything on my own. I think a lot of the times; this may be what is happening to “drop-outs”. They might go strait to working at a fast food restaurant or factory because this gives instant return. For students who live in poverty, or difficult home environments, a job gives them two things: 1) Financial Security, because making money means that they can buy groceries, or hygiene products, or even clothing, that will allow them to live more normally in society; and 2) A sense of Survival that is only maintained if they attend to work. With this said, a “drop-out” is not completely giving up. They leave school for something that seems more appropriate for them in the given situation. If dropping out is a concern, a logical solution would be to provide to the “drop-outs” with what seems attractive about the working world. Most likely, this is money. In the working world, cash-flow exists. UNFORTUNATELY, education gives up on students, where they could be playing a supportive role in helping students’ complete high school so that the “working world” has more options. I feel that paying the “at risk” and drop-out students will increase school attendance and participation, and in the long-term, reduce chronic dependence upon government aid for basic survival, because graduates will have more options available in the workplace and in post-secondary education. But, that’s just my opinion.

]]> By: johnnymo0829 http://www.edwize.org/paying-kids-to-show-up-rheelly-dumb/comment-page-1#comment-66221 johnnymo0829 Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:16:43 +0000 http://edwize.org/?p=1802#comment-66221 I don’t like the idea of paying a student to go to school or do their work. If there is any kind of a reward for this then it should come from the home where the student is rewarded by their parents. The student should be taught from an early age that going to school and performing well will have its own rewards. The schools can use the money being used to encourage students to attend to actually improve the buildings or programs offered at the schools. Schools use a tremendous amount of money for purposes other than teaching students; this seems to be just another example of this. Paying students to attend school actually starts a very slippery slope argument for many students in the schools where this reward is given. Johnny Jones got a payment for showing up the minimum days needed to for it, but Sally has perfect attendance and has never missed a homework assignment, should we double her payment? What incentive to do excellent work is there for a student? If a student is given $100.00 in the fourth grade, do we need to give raises for them as they get older? This is a lot of money for a nine year old, but at sixteen we need to do more than that, they can skip school for a minimum wage job and make more money. Do we base promotions and raises on work output of a student? This program looks to reward the students who want to do little or no work while it is just giving money to students who would attend school anyway. The eventual pay off should be taught to the student from the beginning of their lives and it needs to be taught first and foremost by the parents, you have to go to school, you will do well so you can get a good job. There should not be a reward for doing the minimum expected of you. Setting a student up with the false pretence that they will be rewarded for doing just the minimum needed to get by does nothing for the long term learning and development of a student. The reason that students go to school in a large part is to prepare them for the real world and how to function in the workplace. You can go to work and do just the minimum required of you, but will you ever be promoted? Will you ever get a raise? Will your job ever be fulfilling to you? Do the schools then begin to give similar rewards for all behavior? Good job you graduated, here is thirty thousand dollars, you didn’t bring a weapon to school, here is a three hundred dollar payment you got a 1200 on your s.a.t.’s … have a new car. If there is any kind of payment that would be made then perhaps it should be more of an endgame payment plan. You had a good record of attendance and always did well in school, at the end of high school you have a built in scholarship program for the state run public college system. This will encourage students to work for long term goals. I don’t like the idea of paying a student to go to school or do their work. If there is any kind of a reward for this then it should come from the home where the student is rewarded by their parents. The student should be taught from an early age that going to school and performing well will have its own rewards. The schools can use the money being used to encourage students to attend to actually improve the buildings or programs offered at the schools. Schools use a tremendous amount of money for purposes other than teaching students; this seems to be just another example of this.
Paying students to attend school actually starts a very slippery slope argument for many students in the schools where this reward is given. Johnny Jones got a payment for showing up the minimum days needed to for it, but Sally has perfect attendance and has never missed a homework assignment, should we double her payment? What incentive to do excellent work is there for a student? If a student is given $100.00 in the fourth grade, do we need to give raises for them as they get older? This is a lot of money for a nine year old, but at sixteen we need to do more than that, they can skip school for a minimum wage job and make more money. Do we base promotions and raises on work output of a student? This program looks to reward the students who want to do little or no work while it is just giving money to students who would attend school anyway. The eventual pay off should be taught to the student from the beginning of their lives and it needs to be taught first and foremost by the parents, you have to go to school, you will do well so you can get a good job. There should not be a reward for doing the minimum expected of you.
Setting a student up with the false pretence that they will be rewarded for doing just the minimum needed to get by does nothing for the long term learning and development of a student. The reason that students go to school in a large part is to prepare them for the real world and how to function in the workplace. You can go to work and do just the minimum required of you, but will you ever be promoted? Will you ever get a raise? Will your job ever be fulfilling to you? Do the schools then begin to give similar rewards for all behavior? Good job you graduated, here is thirty thousand dollars, you didn’t bring a weapon to school, here is a three hundred dollar payment you got a 1200 on your s.a.t.’s … have a new car.
If there is any kind of payment that would be made then perhaps it should be more of an endgame payment plan. You had a good record of attendance and always did well in school, at the end of high school you have a built in scholarship program for the state run public college system. This will encourage students to work for long term goals.

]]> By: Redcatcher http://www.edwize.org/paying-kids-to-show-up-rheelly-dumb/comment-page-1#comment-66219 Redcatcher Mon, 01 Dec 2008 23:05:04 +0000 http://edwize.org/?p=1802#comment-66219 Instead of paying them to come to school, she should pay them to stay home. This way the kids who do attend will get a proper education and the teaching staff will not have to deal with the miscreants. Instead of paying them to come to school, she should pay them to stay home. This way the kids who do attend will get a proper education and the teaching staff will not have to deal with the miscreants.

]]> By: Quixotic Pedagogue » Blog Archive » Signs of the Educational Apocalypse http://www.edwize.org/paying-kids-to-show-up-rheelly-dumb/comment-page-1#comment-66211 Quixotic Pedagogue » Blog Archive » Signs of the Educational Apocalypse Fri, 28 Nov 2008 07:29:38 +0000 http://edwize.org/?p=1802#comment-66211 [...] that students don’t seem to be able to get their homework done or come to school?Pay them $100/mo for doing it! For years, school officials have used detention, remedial classes, summer school and suspensions [...] [...] that students don’t seem to be able to get their homework done or come to school?Pay them $100/mo for doing it! For years, school officials have used detention, remedial classes, summer school and suspensions [...]

]]> By: bfeldman http://www.edwize.org/paying-kids-to-show-up-rheelly-dumb/comment-page-1#comment-65984 bfeldman Tue, 09 Sep 2008 17:29:27 +0000 http://edwize.org/?p=1802#comment-65984 With the previous administration complete failure to educate even half the students, I'd say let Ms. Rhee run her experiments. Maybe they will work! More of my thoughts at my blog: <a href="http://www.barbarafeldman.com/paying_kids_to_show_up_at_school.html" rel="nofollow"> BarbaraFeldman.com</a> With the previous administration complete failure to educate even half the students, I’d say let Ms. Rhee run her experiments. Maybe they will work!

More of my thoughts at my blog:

BarbaraFeldman.com

]]> By: nmorse http://www.edwize.org/paying-kids-to-show-up-rheelly-dumb/comment-page-1#comment-65980 nmorse Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:29:10 +0000 http://edwize.org/?p=1802#comment-65980 This is absolutly ridiculous. Nobody should be paying kids to go to school, do the work, and behave. If the children are being paid then it needs to be more than $100 to get them to do anything. $100 a month will not most kids to go to school and do work if they don't want to go. The parents of the child is the one that needs to be motivating them. This is absolutly ridiculous. Nobody should be paying kids to go to school, do the work, and behave. If the children are being paid then it needs to be more than $100 to get them to do anything. $100 a month will not most kids to go to school and do work if they don’t want to go. The parents of the child is the one that needs to be motivating them.

]]> By: Educating the next generation of crony capitalists « D2 route http://www.edwize.org/paying-kids-to-show-up-rheelly-dumb/comment-page-1#comment-65977 Educating the next generation of crony capitalists « D2 route Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:20:51 +0000 http://edwize.org/?p=1802#comment-65977 [...] culture of corruption , hubris , public education Tags: DCPS, Harvard, Michelle, Michelle Rhee Paying Kids To Show Up — Rheelly Dumb Someone needs to stand up to Michelle Rhee. She announced this plan unilaterally; she picks the [...] [...] culture of corruption , hubris , public education Tags: DCPS, Harvard, Michelle, Michelle Rhee Paying Kids To Show Up — Rheelly Dumb Someone needs to stand up to Michelle Rhee. She announced this plan unilaterally; she picks the [...]

]]> By: RSchwaber http://www.edwize.org/paying-kids-to-show-up-rheelly-dumb/comment-page-1#comment-65976 RSchwaber Fri, 05 Sep 2008 20:57:38 +0000 http://edwize.org/?p=1802#comment-65976 It does not go far enough. If Ms Rhee really wants students to show up, do homework and behave, she should offer $3000 a month. I guarantee you, the parents of these children will make them become model students and citizens It does not go far enough. If Ms Rhee really wants students to show up, do homework and behave, she should offer $3000 a month. I guarantee you, the parents of these children will make them become model students and citizens

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