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	<title>Comments on: Rebutting Weighted Student Funding: The New Magic Bullet</title>
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		<title>By: BernalKC</title>
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		<dc:creator>BernalKC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Sep 2006 07:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the perspective of a San Francisco observer and fan of WSF I think you are all missing the main point of WSF.  It pushes more budget authority down to the site level, where better decision can be made based on the needs of the students.

From what I understand, NYC already allocates funds to sites on a basis of the demographic needs of the school -- so the &quot;backpack&quot; concept is hardly an innovation nor a change.  In SFUSD troubled schools ended up with more money in the old system, so WSF did not substantially change that.  (We also use averaged teacher salaries, so the threat to union staffing rules is eliminated.)

What it really does is empower site governance and empower families.  The real promise of WSF -- at least in SFUSD -- lies in the way it empowers site based budgeting.  School site councils -- with equitable representation of teachers, parents, and administration -- are able to make discretionary choices based on local school needs and the informed leadership of the administrators and teachers on site.  Does this school need more special ed teachers? reading specialists? librarians? art teachers?  WSF pushes the decision making out of the hands of central planners and into the hands of school leaders.

In SF we have near open enrollment, so families have a genuine power to choose their kids&#039; school.  The backpack model is a simple way of ensuring that the money moves with the child.  But more importantly it allows families to pick the winners and losers.  If a school is run well, with dynamic leaders and competent staff, families flock to it and it thrives -- and the budget is not strained by that success.  If they make bad choices, they wither away.  Believe me, I&#039;ve seen both outcomes.  And WSF really does provide a degrees of liberty and choices that makes it work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the perspective of a San Francisco observer and fan of WSF I think you are all missing the main point of WSF.  It pushes more budget authority down to the site level, where better decision can be made based on the needs of the students.</p>
<p>From what I understand, NYC already allocates funds to sites on a basis of the demographic needs of the school &#8212; so the &#8220;backpack&#8221; concept is hardly an innovation nor a change.  In SFUSD troubled schools ended up with more money in the old system, so WSF did not substantially change that.  (We also use averaged teacher salaries, so the threat to union staffing rules is eliminated.)</p>
<p>What it really does is empower site governance and empower families.  The real promise of WSF &#8212; at least in SFUSD &#8212; lies in the way it empowers site based budgeting.  School site councils &#8212; with equitable representation of teachers, parents, and administration &#8212; are able to make discretionary choices based on local school needs and the informed leadership of the administrators and teachers on site.  Does this school need more special ed teachers? reading specialists? librarians? art teachers?  WSF pushes the decision making out of the hands of central planners and into the hands of school leaders.</p>
<p>In SF we have near open enrollment, so families have a genuine power to choose their kids&#8217; school.  The backpack model is a simple way of ensuring that the money moves with the child.  But more importantly it allows families to pick the winners and losers.  If a school is run well, with dynamic leaders and competent staff, families flock to it and it thrives &#8212; and the budget is not strained by that success.  If they make bad choices, they wither away.  Believe me, I&#8217;ve seen both outcomes.  And WSF really does provide a degrees of liberty and choices that makes it work.</p>
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		<title>By: xkaydet65</title>
		<link>http://www.edwize.org/rebutting-weighted-student-funding-the-new-magic-bullet/comment-page-1#comment-8192</link>
		<dc:creator>xkaydet65</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 00:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had used the UFT transfer plan four years ago to leave a western Queens Title one school for an Eastern Queens  school of suburban reputation. I found my new school underfunded in everything from textbooks to computers to duplicating services. This year for personal reasons I used the Open Market to move back to my old school. The differences in funding, staff ratios, materials, between the two schools had become more apparent.

What were and are the results of this spending? My northern Queens school consistently produced 3s and 4s on NYS exams for 65-75% of the kids. My Title One school did so  in numbers less than 50%.Given a large ESL population, and 75% free lunch this is not too surprising. What to make of this? If the Title One school was not funded the way it is, the results would be horrific. I&#039;m sure lower class size in the middle class school would move the numbers up, but I&#039;m not sure how measurable it would be. I think having the money follow the kid is nuts.It&#039;s not about how much money we spend on a few kids. it&#039;s taking the money and using it to orchestrate an environment that makes teaching and learning more possible. If 50 kids had followed me on my first transfer and brought their title one money with them the effect on their education would have been negligible, aside from being in a calmer environment. But the way that money is deployed in their own school makes its effect greater and more efficient. hope this rambling makes some sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had used the UFT transfer plan four years ago to leave a western Queens Title one school for an Eastern Queens  school of suburban reputation. I found my new school underfunded in everything from textbooks to computers to duplicating services. This year for personal reasons I used the Open Market to move back to my old school. The differences in funding, staff ratios, materials, between the two schools had become more apparent.</p>
<p>What were and are the results of this spending? My northern Queens school consistently produced 3s and 4s on NYS exams for 65-75% of the kids. My Title One school did so  in numbers less than 50%.Given a large ESL population, and 75% free lunch this is not too surprising. What to make of this? If the Title One school was not funded the way it is, the results would be horrific. I&#8217;m sure lower class size in the middle class school would move the numbers up, but I&#8217;m not sure how measurable it would be. I think having the money follow the kid is nuts.It&#8217;s not about how much money we spend on a few kids. it&#8217;s taking the money and using it to orchestrate an environment that makes teaching and learning more possible. If 50 kids had followed me on my first transfer and brought their title one money with them the effect on their education would have been negligible, aside from being in a calmer environment. But the way that money is deployed in their own school makes its effect greater and more efficient. hope this rambling makes some sense.</p>
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		<title>By: paulrubin</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulrubin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We already give problem schools more money. It&#039;s called special ed funding :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We already give problem schools more money. It&#8217;s called special ed funding <img src='http://www.edwize.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Peter Goodman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Goodman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have served as the Teacher Union memeber on State Ed SURR Review teams for many years. After a school is designated by the State as a SURR school a team spends a week in the school oberving classes, interviewing staff and reviewing data, and writes a detailed report.

1. By far, the leading factor in school failure is poor leadership.
2. Failing schools do NOT always have new, inexperienced teachers. In many instances staffs were made up of a mix of experienced and inexperienced teacher, however, poor leadership overrode the experience of the staff.
3. When the dust settles it will be quite interesting to observe the movement of staff under the Open Market system.
4. The Chancellor&#039;s District, dismantled by Klein, provided 15% higher pay (in exchange for a longer school day and year), teachers chose to be in the District, and, the District had a close working relationship with the teachers union.

In NYC teachers are &quot;charged&quot; to the school budget at the average salary for the school.

Weighted Student Funding will simply create chaos ... 

Teachers seek to transfer to highly effective schools, regardess of neighborhood ... effective princpals seek successful teachers ... regardless of age and experience ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have served as the Teacher Union memeber on State Ed SURR Review teams for many years. After a school is designated by the State as a SURR school a team spends a week in the school oberving classes, interviewing staff and reviewing data, and writes a detailed report.</p>
<p>1. By far, the leading factor in school failure is poor leadership.<br />
2. Failing schools do NOT always have new, inexperienced teachers. In many instances staffs were made up of a mix of experienced and inexperienced teacher, however, poor leadership overrode the experience of the staff.<br />
3. When the dust settles it will be quite interesting to observe the movement of staff under the Open Market system.<br />
4. The Chancellor&#8217;s District, dismantled by Klein, provided 15% higher pay (in exchange for a longer school day and year), teachers chose to be in the District, and, the District had a close working relationship with the teachers union.</p>
<p>In NYC teachers are &#8220;charged&#8221; to the school budget at the average salary for the school.</p>
<p>Weighted Student Funding will simply create chaos &#8230; </p>
<p>Teachers seek to transfer to highly effective schools, regardess of neighborhood &#8230; effective princpals seek successful teachers &#8230; regardless of age and experience &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: NYC Educator</title>
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		<dc:creator>NYC Educator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 15:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no magic bullet, City Sue.  There are only good teachers, decent facilities, and smaller classes as essential starting points for improvement.

And I&#039;m afraid that giving the seniority transfer plan, among many other things, for less than cost of living, was a monumental folly.  However you may feel about such programs, it&#039;s simply bad business to give things away for less than nothing.

I remember when we took zeroes for the UFT transfer plan, among many other things.

As you ably point out, having given away the farm for less than nothing has done little do dissuade our critics, who continue to blame unions for everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no magic bullet, City Sue.  There are only good teachers, decent facilities, and smaller classes as essential starting points for improvement.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m afraid that giving the seniority transfer plan, among many other things, for less than cost of living, was a monumental folly.  However you may feel about such programs, it&#8217;s simply bad business to give things away for less than nothing.</p>
<p>I remember when we took zeroes for the UFT transfer plan, among many other things.</p>
<p>As you ably point out, having given away the farm for less than nothing has done little do dissuade our critics, who continue to blame unions for everything.</p>
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