Comments on: Sol Stern on Reform: Incentivists vs. Instructionists http://www.edwize.org/sol-stern-on-reform-incentivists-vs-instructionists Fri, 10 Feb 2012 02:46:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Peter Goodman http://www.edwize.org/sol-stern-on-reform-incentivists-vs-instructionists/comment-page-1#comment-64978 Peter Goodman Sat, 26 Jan 2008 13:45:31 +0000 http://edwize.org/sol-stern-on-reform-incentivists-vs-instructionists#comment-64978 the link to the Stern dialogue http://www.city-journal.org/2008/forum0124.html the link to the Stern dialogue
http://www.city-journal.org/2008/forum0124.html

]]> By: Peter Goodman http://www.edwize.org/sol-stern-on-reform-incentivists-vs-instructionists/comment-page-1#comment-64977 Peter Goodman Sat, 26 Jan 2008 13:43:39 +0000 http://edwize.org/sol-stern-on-reform-incentivists-vs-instructionists#comment-64977 Stern's article is answered by a range of pro charter/voucher advocates and supported by Diane Ravitch and E D Hirsch, and Stern responds to all the comments ... fascinating ... and this is clearly the beginning of a new longer term dialogue ... perhaps moving the debate from marketplace to instructivist interventions ... and the nature of the instructivist interventions. Stern’s article is answered by a range of pro charter/voucher advocates and supported by Diane Ravitch and E D Hirsch, and Stern responds to all the comments … fascinating … and this is clearly the beginning of a new longer term dialogue … perhaps moving the debate from marketplace to instructivist interventions … and the nature of the instructivist interventions.

]]> By: RPondiscio http://www.edwize.org/sol-stern-on-reform-incentivists-vs-instructionists/comment-page-1#comment-64973 RPondiscio Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:02:19 +0000 http://edwize.org/sol-stern-on-reform-incentivists-vs-instructionists#comment-64973 I hope I'll be forgiven for this partial cross-post of my piece on the Core Knowledge blog, but Jackie's pointing out the pedagogy vs. curriculum angle of Stern's piece compels me. It's a vital part of this discussion. As a teacher, I would not have wished to be evaluated based on my how effectively I delivered the TC Writer's Workshop "philosophy" or Everyday Math, neither of which were, I believe, effective or appropriate for my students. Here's what I posted: "If it were in my power, I would gladly make the following bargain: tell me what to teach, but let me decide how to teach it. If I don’t deliver the expected results, fire me. But if you insist on telling me what to teach and how to teach it, then the results are beyond my control. "Core Knowledge board member Diane Ravitch recently wondered how American education fell under the control of “Know Nothings from the world of business, law, and politics.” Here’s what I wonder: why they didn’t bring with them one of the business world’s most effective and powerful management practices: hire good people, give them the goal and get out of the way. "There were only two times in my 25-year professional life when I was explicitly told both what to do and how to do it. The first was when I was a 16-year old Taco Bell employee. The second was when I became a New York City school teacher." I hope I’ll be forgiven for this partial cross-post of my piece on the Core Knowledge blog, but Jackie’s pointing out the pedagogy vs. curriculum angle of Stern’s piece compels me. It’s a vital part of this discussion. As a teacher, I would not have wished to be evaluated based on my how effectively I delivered the TC Writer’s Workshop “philosophy” or Everyday Math, neither of which were, I believe, effective or appropriate for my students. Here’s what I posted:

“If it were in my power, I would gladly make the following bargain: tell me what to teach, but let me decide how to teach it. If I don’t deliver the expected results, fire me. But if you insist on telling me what to teach and how to teach it, then the results are beyond my control.

“Core Knowledge board member Diane Ravitch recently wondered how American education fell under the control of “Know Nothings from the world of business, law, and politics.” Here’s what I wonder: why they didn’t bring with them one of the business world’s most effective and powerful management practices: hire good people, give them the goal and get out of the way.

“There were only two times in my 25-year professional life when I was explicitly told both what to do and how to do it. The first was when I was a 16-year old Taco Bell employee. The second was when I became a New York City school teacher.”

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