Comments on: Spreadsheet Education: TUDA in New York City Stays Rather Flat http://www.edwize.org/spreadsheet-education-tuda-in-new-york-city-stays-rather-flat Fri, 10 Feb 2012 02:46:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Extended Stay webs » New York City Stays http://www.edwize.org/spreadsheet-education-tuda-in-new-york-city-stays-rather-flat/comment-page-1#comment-67924 Extended Stay webs » New York City Stays Sat, 19 Mar 2011 15:49:41 +0000 http://www.edwize.org/?p=5648#comment-67924 [...] 11.Edwize » Spreadsheet Education: TUDA in New York City Stays Rather New York City students made no gains from 2007 to 2009 in math. The gains since 2003 have been significant, but there were no gains these past two years. We know that Tweed puts lots of emphasis on year-to-year gains, so the failure to make any gains for two years matters. http://www.edwize.org/spreadsheet-education-tuda-in-new-york-city-stays-rather-flat [...] [...] 11.Edwize » Spreadsheet Education: TUDA in New York City Stays Rather New York City students made no gains from 2007 to 2009 in math. The gains since 2003 have been significant, but there were no gains these past two years. We know that Tweed puts lots of emphasis on year-to-year gains, so the failure to make any gains for two years matters. http://www.edwize.org/spreadsheet-education-tuda-in-new-york-city-stays-rather-flat [...]

]]> By: John Powers http://www.edwize.org/spreadsheet-education-tuda-in-new-york-city-stays-rather-flat/comment-page-1#comment-66886 John Powers Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:17:18 +0000 http://www.edwize.org/?p=5648#comment-66886 Spreadsheet Fascism is probably a better term Jackie. :) Spreadsheet Fascism is probably a better term Jackie. :)

]]> By: Jackie Bennett http://www.edwize.org/spreadsheet-education-tuda-in-new-york-city-stays-rather-flat/comment-page-1#comment-66722 Jackie Bennett Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:03:56 +0000 http://www.edwize.org/?p=5648#comment-66722 Mr. Cantor, based on NAEP, if the DoE were a school, you would be closing it. You may be the last person in NY taking the state tests very seriously Mr. Cantor, live and die by them though we must. In any case, you folks were spinning this two years ago, and you are spinning it now. Here is <a href="http://www.edwize.org/tuda-and-the-doe-response-%E2%80%93-part-ii" rel="nofollow">my response</a> from that last NAEP debacle, when Joel Klein was claiming that NAEP showed a closing of the achievement gap. It’s two years later and the gap still isn’t closing – and teachers are forced to teach to these tests. Mr. Cantor, based on NAEP, if the DoE were a school, you would be closing it.

You may be the last person in NY taking the state tests very seriously Mr. Cantor, live and die by them though we must. In any case, you folks were spinning this two years ago, and you are spinning it now. Here is my response from that last NAEP debacle, when Joel Klein was claiming that NAEP showed a closing of the achievement gap. It’s two years later and the gap still isn’t closing – and teachers are forced to teach to these tests.

]]> By: Diane Ravitch http://www.edwize.org/spreadsheet-education-tuda-in-new-york-city-stays-rather-flat/comment-page-1#comment-66721 Diane Ravitch Fri, 11 Dec 2009 04:39:52 +0000 http://www.edwize.org/?p=5648#comment-66721 Jackie's right and so is David, sort of. New York City students made no gains from 2007 to 2009 in math. The gains since 2003 have been significant, but there were no gains these past two years. We know that Tweed puts lots of emphasis on year-to-year gains, so the failure to make any gains for two years matters. It was also notable that the 2009 NAEP report showed that NYC has made no progress since 2003 in closing achievement gaps between white and black students and between white and Hispanic students. Also, as I showed in an article in today's NY Post, the difference between the state tests and the NAEP tests is startling. The two tests do not show the same trend lines. The state tests are misleading and inflated. On NY state tests, 85% of our fourth grade students are proficient, but only 35% on NAEP. On the state tests, only 5% of our eighth grade students are level 1, but on NAEP, 40% of the same grade is "below basic," which is equivalent to level 1. The state tests are so inflated that they lack credibility. Even Merryl Tisch and David Steiner have said that the state testing system is broken. The DOE should not refer to them at all. Diane Ravitch Jackie’s right and so is David, sort of.
New York City students made no gains from 2007 to 2009 in math. The gains since 2003 have been significant, but there were no gains these past two years. We know that Tweed puts lots of emphasis on year-to-year gains, so the failure to make any gains for two years matters. It was also notable that the 2009 NAEP report showed that NYC has made no progress since 2003 in closing achievement gaps between white and black students and between white and Hispanic students.
Also, as I showed in an article in today’s NY Post, the difference between the state tests and the NAEP tests is startling. The two tests do not show the same trend lines. The state tests are misleading and inflated. On NY state tests, 85% of our fourth grade students are proficient, but only 35% on NAEP. On the state tests, only 5% of our eighth grade students are level 1, but on NAEP, 40% of the same grade is “below basic,” which is equivalent to level 1.
The state tests are so inflated that they lack credibility. Even Merryl Tisch and David Steiner have said that the state testing system is broken. The DOE should not refer to them at all.

Diane Ravitch

]]> By: David Cantor http://www.edwize.org/spreadsheet-education-tuda-in-new-york-city-stays-rather-flat/comment-page-1#comment-66719 David Cantor Thu, 10 Dec 2009 23:06:18 +0000 http://www.edwize.org/?p=5648#comment-66719 Jackie Bennett's claim that New York City made no gains on the 2009 NAEP math exam is mistaken. The 2009 results released this week showed that NYC students have made statistically significant gains since 2003 at both fourth and eighth grades, reaching higher levels of proficiency than ever before and making greater gains than both the rest of the state and the nation. As to differences between the state tests and NAEP: the gains made by NYC compared to the rest of NY state on state tests are very similar to the gains made by NYC compared to the rest of NY state on NAEP. The proficiency bar on state tests is too low, but the state tests are NOT misleading or inflated with regard to the extent that NYC under the mayor has outperformed the rest of the state; NAEP results “verify” the state test results in this sense. Given that students in NY state are all held to the same standards, the fact that NAEP results showed NYC students to have closed the performance gap with the much whiter and more affluent rest of state by 2/3rds in 4th grade and almost 1/3 in 8rd grade is pretty amazing. David Cantor DOE Press Secretary Jackie Bennett’s claim that New York City made no gains on the 2009 NAEP math exam is mistaken.

The 2009 results released this week showed that NYC students have made statistically significant gains since 2003 at both fourth and eighth grades, reaching higher levels of proficiency than ever before and making greater gains than both the rest of the state and the nation.

As to differences between the state tests and NAEP: the gains made by NYC compared to the rest of NY state on state tests are very similar to the gains made by NYC compared to the rest of NY state on NAEP. The proficiency bar on state tests is too low, but the state tests are NOT misleading or inflated with regard to the extent that NYC under the mayor has outperformed the rest of the state; NAEP results “verify” the state test results in this sense. Given that students in NY state are all held to the same standards, the fact that NAEP results showed NYC students to have closed the performance gap with the much whiter and more affluent rest of state by 2/3rds in 4th grade and almost 1/3 in 8rd grade is pretty amazing.

David Cantor
DOE Press Secretary

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