Comments on: The Other Shoe: The US DOE Studies Public and Charter School Performance http://www.edwize.org/the-other-shoe-the-us-doe-studies-public-and-charter-school-performance Fri, 10 Feb 2012 02:46:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: institutional memory http://www.edwize.org/the-other-shoe-the-us-doe-studies-public-and-charter-school-performance/comment-page-1#comment-8037 institutional memory Sat, 26 Aug 2006 13:54:12 +0000 http://edwize.org/the-other-shoe-the-us-doe-studies-public-and-charter-school-performance#comment-8037 <b>DATA? WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING DATA!</b> The most ironic (we do remember irony, right?) aspect of this particular fuss is the neocons' claim that the data is flawed, old, misunderstood, etc. When data serves their interests, they worship it; when it contradicts their dubious reality, they bash it. <i>Figures lie and liars figure.</i> DATA? WE DON’T NEED NO STINKING DATA!
The most ironic (we do remember irony, right?) aspect of this particular fuss is the neocons’ claim that the data is flawed, old, misunderstood, etc.

When data serves their interests, they worship it; when it contradicts their dubious reality, they bash it.

Figures lie and liars figure.

]]> By: NYC Educator http://www.edwize.org/the-other-shoe-the-us-doe-studies-public-and-charter-school-performance/comment-page-1#comment-8016 NYC Educator Sat, 26 Aug 2006 00:00:48 +0000 http://edwize.org/the-other-shoe-the-us-doe-studies-public-and-charter-school-performance#comment-8016 TAking kids out of overcrowded decrepit buildings and sending them to Tweed, though, will send them a message that people value their education. It's too bad the current administration chooses not to send all kids that message. TAking kids out of overcrowded decrepit buildings and sending them to Tweed, though, will send them a message that people value their education.

It’s too bad the current administration chooses not to send all kids that message.

]]> By: R. Skibins http://www.edwize.org/the-other-shoe-the-us-doe-studies-public-and-charter-school-performance/comment-page-1#comment-8009 R. Skibins Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:24:28 +0000 http://edwize.org/the-other-shoe-the-us-doe-studies-public-and-charter-school-performance#comment-8009 Students can only perform up to their ability. Placing a child in a charter school will not increase their ability to learn, just as placing me on the New York Yankees will not improve my ability to hit a baseball. Students can only perform up to their ability. Placing a child in a charter school will not increase their ability to learn, just as placing me on the New York Yankees will not improve my ability to hit a baseball.

]]> By: curious3 http://www.edwize.org/the-other-shoe-the-us-doe-studies-public-and-charter-school-performance/comment-page-1#comment-8006 curious3 Fri, 25 Aug 2006 15:09:03 +0000 http://edwize.org/the-other-shoe-the-us-doe-studies-public-and-charter-school-performance#comment-8006 Hey Leo, The major complaint that I read and tend to agree with is that the studies should measure improvement of test scores over time for a given group of students rather than the relative performance at any one time. This would correct for any differences in the starting levels of the students. Apparently, there are studies of this kind that reflect favorably on charter school performance. Meanwhile, I very much like a quote from a comment you made in your recent ed school posting: "... the first hypothesis that one should test is whether there are good ed schools which do a good job of preparing teachers, in which case the obvious solution would be to reform or close ed schools that are not doing their job and to model more after those that are successful." I agree strongly with your statement here, not only for ed schools but charter schools and traditional public schools too. In my mind, to "set it right", even if things are not as bad as some people think the data suggests, we should be biased towards expanding, replicating, duplicating and imitating the charter schools and traditional public schools that seem to be doing a great job and shutting down the ones that, over time, seem to perform poorly. Ken Hey Leo,

The major complaint that I read and tend to agree with is that the studies should measure improvement of test scores over time for a given group of students rather than the relative performance at any one time. This would correct for any differences in the starting levels of the students. Apparently, there are studies of this kind that reflect favorably on charter school performance.

Meanwhile, I very much like a quote from a comment you made in your recent ed school posting:

“… the first hypothesis that one should test is whether there are good ed schools which do a good job of preparing teachers, in which case the obvious solution would be to reform or close ed schools that are not doing their job and to model more after those that are successful.”

I agree strongly with your statement here, not only for ed schools but charter schools and traditional public schools too. In my mind, to “set it right”, even if things are not as bad as some people think the data suggests, we should be biased towards expanding, replicating, duplicating and imitating the charter schools and traditional public schools that seem to be doing a great job and shutting down the ones that, over time, seem to perform poorly.

Ken

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