Comments on: The Return Of Jay Greene And The United Cherry Pickers http://www.edwize.org/the-return-of-jay-greene-and-the-united-cherry-pickers Thu, 18 Mar 2010 15:15:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Writing Blog :: Uncategorized :: The Best Pun of the Week Award: Leo Casey at Edwize http://www.edwize.org/the-return-of-jay-greene-and-the-united-cherry-pickers/comment-page-1#comment-66469 Writing Blog :: Uncategorized :: The Best Pun of the Week Award: Leo Casey at Edwize Mon, 01 Jun 2009 12:10:59 +0000 http://www.edwize.org/?p=4462#comment-66469 [...] supporting them”; and 2) the title of the post, coming from this teacher union blog, is a punny little gem in [...] [...] supporting them”; and 2) the title of the post, coming from this teacher union blog, is a punny little gem in [...]

]]> By: Bernard http://www.edwize.org/the-return-of-jay-greene-and-the-united-cherry-pickers/comment-page-1#comment-66459 Bernard Sat, 23 May 2009 11:48:17 +0000 http://www.edwize.org/?p=4462#comment-66459 The whole premise of this debate ought to be reconsidered. What if some "research" showed that electrodes to the genitals might lead to higher test scores? On the other hand, we already know that kids coming to school well-fed and rested produces higher scores. Why aren't Hoxby, Greene and Petrilli making that case for improving conditions in the school community? Unions are a basic right in a democratic society, whether or not they directly boost test score results. The whole premise of this debate ought to be reconsidered. What if some “research” showed that electrodes to the genitals might lead to higher test scores? On the other hand, we already know that kids coming to school well-fed and rested produces higher scores. Why aren’t Hoxby, Greene and Petrilli making that case for improving conditions in the school community?

Unions are a basic right in a democratic society, whether or not they directly boost test score results.

]]> By: Borderland » Blog Archive » Back and Forth and Back on Teachers Unions http://www.edwize.org/the-return-of-jay-greene-and-the-united-cherry-pickers/comment-page-1#comment-66458 Borderland » Blog Archive » Back and Forth and Back on Teachers Unions Fri, 22 May 2009 17:33:31 +0000 http://www.edwize.org/?p=4462#comment-66458 [...] Leo Casey: Greene is up to his old “cherry picking” tricks here, citing the one study which supports his position while ignoring the many which do not. There is a small body of scholarly literature on the subject, and Hoxby’s essay is clearly the minority view; there are more noteworthy studies showing a positive relationship between teacher unionism and educational achievement. [...] [...] Leo Casey: Greene is up to his old “cherry picking” tricks here, citing the one study which supports his position while ignoring the many which do not. There is a small body of scholarly literature on the subject, and Hoxby’s essay is clearly the minority view; there are more noteworthy studies showing a positive relationship between teacher unionism and educational achievement. [...]

]]> By: Gideon http://www.edwize.org/the-return-of-jay-greene-and-the-united-cherry-pickers/comment-page-1#comment-66457 Gideon Thu, 21 May 2009 12:59:43 +0000 http://www.edwize.org/?p=4462#comment-66457 Not having evaluated the studies cited on both sides of the argument, all I'm hearing is correlations, not causality. While there are certainly examples of high performing states and districts that are or are not unionized or have strong or weak unions, the basic question still remains whether achievement would be higher or lower in the presence or absence of unions, controlling for all other factors. That's the real challenge, and why rigorous social science is required to answer these questions. So many factors affect student achievement, from parents to neighborhoods to school leadership to teacher quality to district policies, that trying to identify the specific effect of unions is quite difficult. Not having evaluated the studies cited on both sides of the argument, all I’m hearing is correlations, not causality. While there are certainly examples of high performing states and districts that are or are not unionized or have strong or weak unions, the basic question still remains whether achievement would be higher or lower in the presence or absence of unions, controlling for all other factors. That’s the real challenge, and why rigorous social science is required to answer these questions. So many factors affect student achievement, from parents to neighborhoods to school leadership to teacher quality to district policies, that trying to identify the specific effect of unions is quite difficult.

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